Most leadership conversations today sound like a fight picking the right side. The one Bryan Eisenberg had with Round Rock Mayor Craig Morgan doesn’t. Sit down with this episode and you’ll notice the difference in about 90 seconds.

Morgan was first elected to Round Rock City Council in 2011 and has served as mayor since 2017. He’s an attorney with an MBA from Texas State and a law degree from the University of Tulsa, but the credential that comes through in this conversation is simpler: he lives here, his neighbors vote on him, and he has to look them in the eye at the grocery store. Round Rock’s growth — from quiet suburb to one of the fastest-expanding cities in Texas — didn’t happen by accident. Morgan talks through the choices: long-range planning, financial discipline, careful decisions about downtown density, data centers, and tourism. None of those things are small.

When Bryan asks what Morgan wants people to remember about his time in office, the answer isn’t a project or a budget number. It’s how he treated people when they disagreed with him. That’s the episode.